Episode Overview

When should a business owner finally delegate? The answer: the moment you're doing work someone else loves and you hate — because as Chris Flowers puts it in this episode, "There are people out there that love to do what you hate. Pay them to do it." Andy Stanley Next Generation Leader. This is a podcast swap unlike anything Here's The Deal has done before. One table, two hosts, zero scripts. Bonnie Schutz — CEO of Tandem Resource Solutions and host of Delegate 2 Elevate Get Sh!t Done — sits down with Chris Flowers, and they interview each other. Two Gen X founders, 57 combined years inside corporate America and commercial banking, both of whom walked away and built businesses on their own terms. Inside this episode: ? Why "going Cortez" — quitting, burning the ships, cashing the 401(k) — is the most expensive way to start a business ? Chris's three rules before launching a podcast (rule three: hit the f'in' button) ? Is your job really safe? Why experience makes you expensive, not essential ? The HR complaint that ended Bonnie's 27-year corporate run — and launched her company ? Trust, ego, or control: the real reason owners won't let go ? Why your exit strategy starts on day one — "I'm not gonna buy your job. I wanna buy a business." ? The single-mom story behind why Chris does what he does ? How Tandem stacks its team with military spouses, single moms, and second-act women Chapters: 00:00 Two hosts, one table — the swap begins 02:30 57 years in corporate between them 07:00 Know, like, trust — why story beats services 09:00 What 27 years beside the C-suite taught Bonnie 13:30 "People love what you hate. Pay them." 15:30 When a podcast stops being a hobby 16:20 Don't go Cortez — the 3 rules before you launch 18:55 Is your job really safe? 24:55 Excellence, not perfection 25:55 The #1 trait of owners who last 33:55 Military spouses, single moms & MSEP 38:20 The real why — Chris's mom's story 40:20 Trust, ego, or control? 42:45 Your exit strategy starts day one 44:30 Your board of directors works for YOU 01:02:00 Everything in twos — the Tandem story 01:05:00 How to work with Bonnie & Chris Connect with Bonnie Schutz: tandemresourcesolutions.com | delegate2elevatepodcast.com | preferredservicepros.com Ready to build your show or your brand? HTD Media Group — podcast production, video marketing, and podcast coaching, serving clients nationwide from Peoria, AZ. Get Seen, Heard and Remembered ? info@heresthedeal.biz | heresthedeal.biz/marketing #heresthedealbiz #mybizcoaches #videomarketing #easycomfortableconnected #delegation #podcastswap #genxentrepreneur #smallbusiness

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